漫威的第一个拉丁美洲裔酷儿超级英雄的故事 – Gabby Rivera


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漫威的第一个拉丁美洲裔酷儿超级英雄的故事 - Gabby Rivera
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漫威的第一个拉丁美洲裔酷儿超级英雄的故事 - Gabby Rivera

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借助漫威的《艾美莉卡·查韦斯》,加比·里维拉创作了一个新型的超级英雄,她能打出维度空间传送门,同时又能拥抱自己的温柔、愚蠢、柔和的一面。在这个有趣的演讲中,里维拉分享了作为一个波多黎各酷儿,她在布朗克斯的童年是如何影响并丰满了这个新故事。她展示了书中的图片,以揭示当超级英雄拥抱她的人性时会发生什么。正如她所说:“那种必须独自上路、必须独自坚强的神话,并不适合我们。”

00:13
At no point did I think superheroes would become such a huge part of my life. As a kid, I looked at them, and I saw everything I wasn't. They had big muscles, supermodel good looks, and phenomenal cosmic powers. And me? I kind of looked like this, except shorter and with frizzier hair, and I never felt powerful. I was always just one big ball of nervous, soft energy, and superheroes, much like the bullies at school, didn't seem to have a lot of room for that, for me. So I stayed away. And besides, who needs superheroes when you're surrounded by Puerto Rican women from the Bronx?
我从没想过超级英雄会成为 我生命中如此重要的一部分。 小时候当我看他们时, 我觉得我什么都不是。 他们有大块的肌肉, 超模一样好看的长相, 以及异于常人的无尽力量。 而我呢? 我看起来像这样, 除了长得矮和一头卷发, 我从未觉得自己强大。 我曾只是一个紧张的, 软弱的一个大球 而超级英雄, 像是学校中的地痞流氓, 对我来说,貌似没有太多的位置。 所以,我远离他们。 另外,当你周围都是来自布朗克斯区 的波多黎各妇女时, 谁还需要超级英雄?

01:05
My tías were cops and paramedics, my abuelas were seamstresses and sold jewelry up the street, and my mom got her master's degree in education and taught kindergarten in New York City public schools for over 30 years. So my superheroes were sitting around the dinner table with me.
我的阿姨们是警察和医护人员, 我的外婆是裁缝,奶奶沿街售卖珠宝, 而我妈妈有教育学的硕士学位 并且在纽约的公立学校的幼儿园 教授有30多年之久。 所以我的超级英雄一直 都陪我围坐餐桌前。

01:24
And I don't know how much time you've spent with Puerto Rican women from the Bronx, but we're also some of the world's greatest storytellers. And I'd sit there at my grandmother's dining room table and I'd listen to the women in my family tell these wild, rambunctious tales about navigating their lives in the Bronx. And I wanted to be them so bad. But I wasn't tough like them either. So mostly, I listened, and I soaked it in, and I found myself gravitating to the soft threads in their stories, and I wrote those down. The funny, the goofy, the gentle -- those were my in to storytelling, so much so that I wrote a young-adult novel called "Juliet Takes a Breath," about a chubby, queer Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx navigating sexuality, family and identity. And on the strength of "Juliet," Marvel Comics tapped me to write the solo series for their first-ever Latina lesbian superhero, America Chavez.
我不知道你们有多少时间 和来自布朗克斯的 波多黎各妇女一起相处过, 但是我们都是这个世界上 最伟大的故事讲述者。 我经常会坐在外婆家的餐桌旁 听着我们家族的女人讲述 那些关于她们在布朗克斯区 生活中狂野的故事。 我很想成为她们。 但我却不像她们那样坚强。 所以,多数时候, 我只是倾听, 并沉浸于其中, 我发现我被故事中的 柔软思绪所吸引, 所以我把它们写下来。 有趣的,傻傻的,温柔的, 这就是我讲故事的方式, 内容如此之多以至于 我写了一本叫做 《朱丽叶喘口气》的青少年小说, 这是关于一个来自布朗克斯区 丰满的波多黎各酷儿女孩, 她正探索自己的性取向,家庭和身份。 拜《朱丽叶》所赐, 漫威漫画委托我为他们第一任 拉丁美洲裔女同超级英雄 单独写一个系列, 艾美莉卡·查韦斯。

02:43
(Laughter) Listen, OK. Created by Joe Casey and Nick Dragotta for the Marvel miniseries "Vengeance," America Chavez has been in the Marvel Universe for over seven years. She's tough, Latina, and she's so strong that she can punch portals into other dimensions.
(笑声) 听着, 乔·凯西和尼克·德拉戈塔为漫威的 迷你系列《复仇》创造了她, 艾美莉卡·查韦斯已经在漫威宇宙中 存在超过7年时间了。 她是顽强的拉丁裔女人, 她强大到可以打出 穿越其他维度空间之门。

03:04
I know, right?
我知道,对吧?

03:07
And people were so excited, because finally, someone who shared her identities -- queer and Latina -- would be writing her story. And I saw that, right? And also, when I looked at America, I saw a young Latina in survival mode. See, because her moms had sacrificed themselves to the universe when she was a kid, and she'd been on her own ever since. No wonder she had to be tough. And that link, that link of having to be tough, that rested heavy with me. Like I said, I'm from the Bronx, and the Bronx is tough, tough like walking past sidewalk memorials and dodging cop towers on your way to the train type of tough. When stuff happens that's bad, people are like, "Yo, you gotta keep it moving. You gotta keep trucking. Don't cry. Don't let it get to you." And my mom and my tías and my abuelas, I never saw them take a moment to rest or to invest in self-care. And their soft? It never left the house.
人们非常激动, 因为,最终有个与她相同身份的人 ——酷儿和拉丁裔—— 来书写她的故事。 我也看到那点,对吧? 当我看着艾美莉卡时, 我看到一个年轻的拉丁裔女性 在求生存。 瞧,因为她的妈妈 在艾美莉卡孩提时牺牲自己 来挽救宇宙, 从那以后她都靠自己。 难怪她必须坚强。 这个原因,这种让她坚强的原因 确实让我很沉痛。 如我所说,我来自布朗克斯, 布朗克斯这个地方很强悍, 强悍就比如是在去乘火车的路上, 要走过人行道纪念碑 和躲避警察塔一样的强悍。 当坏的事情发生时,人们通常说, “你得动起来,你得继续前进。 别哭,别让这事情影响到你。” 我的妈妈,阿姨 还有我的外婆和奶奶, 我从未见到她们休息片刻 或者为自己的健康投资。 而她们的柔弱?从未离开过家门。

04:13
And so that was the first thing that I wanted to give to America, the thing that I wished I'd been able to give to my abuelas and my tías, the thing that I'm trying to give to my mom now: permission to be soft. Like, it's OK to sit in silence and go on a journey just to discover yourself, and your pain will make you crumble and you will fall and you will need to ask people for help, and that's OK, and that being vulnerable is good for us.
所以这是我要给艾美莉卡 的第一件东西, 也是我希望我曾可以给我的 外婆和姑姑的东西, 也正是我现在想传达给 我妈妈的东西: 可以变柔。 就像,你完全可以沉默地坐着, 可以出去旅行只为发现你自己, 你的疼痛会让你崩溃,让你摔倒, 你需要向他人寻求帮助, 这都是可以的, 有时,脆弱对我们来说是有好处的。

04:44
But see, I didn't come to all this compassion and healing stuff like, you know, out of nowhere, and so when it came to America's story, I wanted to give her the space to be human, to mess up, and to find soft on her own.
但是,我并非平白无故就 想出这些有同情心和治愈的东西。 所以,当谈到艾美莉卡的故事时, 我想要给她空间,让她可以 更人性,可以把事情弄糟, 并发现自己的柔软之处。

05:01
So she kind of had to quit her day job. You know what I'm saying? I had to give her a superhero sabbatical,
所以她不得不辞掉工作。 你们知道我要说什么了吗? 我必须要给她一个 超级英雄的假期,

05:08
and the first thing I did was enroll her in Justice Sonia Sotomayor University.
我做的第一件事是让她上 索尼娅·索托马约尔大学。

05:18
Because where else would she feel safe and represented and liberated but a university dedicated to the first Puerto Rican woman nominated to the Supreme Court of the United States? And her first class is "Intergalactic Revolutionaries and You," and America is so excited, she's ready to show off her strength, she's ready to show off her portal-punching skills,
难道还有其它地方比这所 以第一位被提名为最高法院大法官的 波多黎各裔女性命名的大学 更能让她感受到安全, 尊敬和自由的地方吗? 她的第一课是 “银河系革命和你”, 艾美莉卡很激动, 她也准备好了展示自己的力量, 她也摆好了自己能够 打出传送门的技能,

05:44
and I stripped that safety net from her right away. And I limited her powers, and I changed up her location and shook up her world, because that is what college is like,
但我立刻剥去了她身上那层安全网。 我限制她的力量, 然后我改变她的位置 并且重组她的世界, 因为大学里就是这样。

05:56
especially if you're alone. But I didn't want America to be alone for long, and so in a homework assignment gone totally wrong, she lands on a battlefield with the X-Men.
特别是当你孤身一人时。 但是我不想艾美莉卡一直孤单, 所以,在一次搞砸了家庭作业后, 她和X战警一起上了战场,

06:10
Because, when I was in college, the Reverend Kelly Brown Douglas was my mentor, and I knew that America Chavez needed one, too. And who better to mentor America Chavez than Storm, the first black female superhero and one of the most powerful members of the X-Men? Nobody, that's who.
因为,当我在大学时, 牧师凯利·布朗·道格拉斯 是我的导师, 我知道艾美莉卡也需要一个导师。 对艾美莉卡来说, 还有比暴风女更好的导师吗? 她是第一位黑人女性超级英雄, 同样也是X战警中最强大的成员。 还有谁?没人。

06:36
And Storm teaches America how to quiet her mind inside of a star portal, and when America quiets her mind, she opens up the dimensions, and in that silence, she can listen for anything and anyone. And no one has ever offered her silence and deep reflection as a way to be powerful. And at first, she rejects it, but with Storm's encouragement, it clicks, and America quiets the world around her, and she leans into a deep vulnerability. I mean, her and Storm even hug. I know. And that's because my mentors loved me enough to encourage me to investigate myself and my ancestors, and when you're 19, how do you even know what that means? I didn't learn about the history of my people in college. I learned about the history of my people sitting on my grandmother's lap when she pulled out the photo album and she named everyone that was here and everyone still left on the island.
暴风女教导艾美莉卡 如何在一扇星际之门中 平静自己的心灵, 当艾美莉卡静下心时, 她打开了多维空间, 在那种静寂中, 她可以倾听任何事情,任何人。 没人曾告诉她静寂和禅定 可以让一个人强大。 一开始,她拒绝它, 但是在暴风女的鼓励下, 她成功了, 艾美莉卡让她周遭的世界平静下来, 她陷入了深深的脆弱中。 我是说,她和暴风女甚至拥抱。 我知道。 那是因为我的导师特别欣赏我 并鼓励我探寻我自己和我的祖先, 当你只有19岁的时, 你怎么会知道那是什么意思? 我并没有在大学中 学到我们族人的历史。 我是在我奶奶的的膝上了解到的, 我外婆会拿出来相册 说出移民到这里的和 留在岛上的人的名字。

07:44
So obviously, I had to crash-land a grandma on America Chavez, and not just any grandma -- a big, strong, luchador grandma, one that loved her enough to take her to the ancestral plain, where America Chavez could see the history of her people play out in the skies above.
所以,显然,我需要给 艾美莉卡紧急空降一个外婆, 不是个普通外婆—— 得是个强壮高大的圣斗士外婆, 一个足够爱她并会把她 带回祖先星球的外婆, 在那个星球上, 艾美莉卡在天空的呈现中 看到了她族人的历史。

08:07
And America gets to see Planeta Fuertona, the birth planet of her grandmother, and she sees it get invaded, and she sees her grandmother and her mom flee. And she also sees the joy that they experience when their new homeland accepts them openly and offers them tremendous care. She gets to see great pain met with even greater compassion, and that's right alongside the tremendous strength of her family. And so everywhere that I could, right, I wrote her little love notes for her and for all the other queer kids of color trying to be magnificent. Like, when you lose yourself, dig deep into your ancestry, because you will find the pieces there.
也看到了 Fuertona 行星, 她外婆诞生的星球, 她看到了这个星球被入侵, 她看到了自己的妈妈和外婆逃亡。 她看到了母亲和外婆 在新的家园受欢迎 并且得到极大帮助时, 她们所享受的欢乐。 她看到巨大的痛苦遇到 更巨大的同情, 这与她家庭的力量相辅相成。 所以,在任何地方 我都会给她写下爱的小纸条, 献给她还有其它想要变杰出 有色种族的酷儿孩子们。 就像,当你迷失自己时, 不如深入探寻你的先辈们, 因为你将在那里找到片段。

08:59
And also, reminders that soft is not a pass to duck, to hide, to be silent, to cower. Soft is also a push to hold ourselves accountable. Kind of like when America lands in World War II and comes face-to-face with Hitler, and she knocks him the hell out ...
同时记得,柔不是逃避的通行证 也不是躲避,沉默和畏缩的理由。 柔同样也是让我们坚守责任心 的一种推动力。 有点像艾美莉卡在二战时 面对面遇到希特勒, 她把他打晕了。

09:23
just like Captain America did in 1941, and who knew we'd need America Chavez to punch Nazis in 2018.
就像美国队长在1941年干的那样, 谁知道我们在2018年 也需要艾美莉卡来打击纳粹。

09:36
And even that, that justified act kind of wrecks her a little bit, so I made sure that she linked up with her best friend, and they talk feelings and they go on a road trip and they sing "Just a Girl" by No Doubt at the top of their lungs.
甚至那样的的正当行为, 让她有点崩溃, 所以我确保她和她最好的朋友 有联系, 她们经常聊天,去公路旅行, 她们吼破嗓门地唱着 No Doubt乐队的 “Just a Girl”,

09:53
And when Midas, a sinister corporation, takes control of Sotomayor, threatens to ban portals and almost kills America ... her ancestors reach for her ... because they know that she needs to heal. And it is that burst of care, that healing, that gives her the fuel to defeat Midas and reclaim herself.
当麦迪斯,一个邪恶的公司 控制了索托马约尔大学, 威胁要禁止传送门并且 差点杀死了艾美莉卡, 是她的祖先找到她, 因为他们知道她需要他们的治愈。 正是这种关怀,这种治愈 给了她能量 去打败麦迪斯并找回她自己。

10:22
See, because that myth of having to go it alone and having to be tough ... doesn't serve us. America Chavez is a whole superhero, and she still needed a team of support to help her find herself. And she needed that gentleness, the type of gentleness that is rooted in compassion and still very much invested in justice and liberation. Because it's in that space where softness and vulnerability meet strength that we transcend our everyday selves, that we become something greater, something majestic, maybe even something super.
瞧,那个必须独自上路, 必须独自坚强的神话 并不适合我们。 艾美莉卡·查韦斯是一个超级英雄, 但她仍需要一个支持她的团队 来帮助找到自己。 她需要那份温柔, 这份温柔,它扎根于同情心之中 但也注重正义和自由。 因为正是在那个空间, 柔和脆弱遇到了力量, 一起让我们超越了日常自我, 让我们变得更伟大,更崇高, 甚至成为某种超级英雄。

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